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Sulekha Weekly 292 q42.1


Perhaps I am being far-fetched, and speculative to bring this up, but what are the verses regarding the sacrifice of the "mahapurusha", the great being, which makes possible the creation of the universe. Can one see, in some sense, God crucifying himself, or sacrificing himself for the sake of existence. Also the Jewish notion of the Kaballa, of Tsim Tsum, the "divine withdrawal" of God's perfection and fullness, to make a "place" or "makom" for existence, and also the notion of God's voluntary sacrifice of some measure of omniscience and omnipotence to make free will possible for individual souls. Just some quick thoughts off the top of my head. Wish I had all the answers at the tips of my fingers (or on the tip of my tongue). But perhaps that would spoil all the fun.

One of my favorites as well. It certainly shows the sophistication of the Vedic seers, as well as the limits of their insight. That, as Sitaram said, is one of the most refreshing things about Vedic thought.

Maybe we can discuss this (and other hymns) later in the context of R.M.Roy's "Vedic Physics"...

This is a favorite of mine....

Notice that initially, there is neither non-being nor being. Plato in his Timaeus throws "becoming" into the mix, as a mediator betweein non-being and being.

The verse 'perhaps He knows, perhaps He knows not' is so honest and open-minded and refreshing.

Most refreshing in constrast to scriptures which speak about 'clots of blood'.

I am posting one of the most intriguing hymns of Rg Veda. The beauty of this hymn lies in the sophistication of thought, especially for a physicist like me.

A time is envisioned when the universe was not, just a fluid chaos ('the dark, indistinguishable sea'), and a warm cosmic breath, which could give an impetus of life. Notice how thought gives rise to desire (when something is thought of, it can then be desired), and desire links non-being into being. Yet, the whole process is shrouded in mystery. Where do gods (or God) fit in this creation scheme?

The Creation (Cosmological) Hymn

Non-being was not; neither the Being
Atmosphere was not, nor the heavens beyond
What was concealed? Where? In whose protection?
Was it a fluid? An unfathomable abyss?
There was neither death nor immortality then
No distinction of day or night
The One breathed without air, by its own power
Other than that there was nothing else
Darkness was hidden by darkness in the beginning
All this was an indistinguishable sea
That which becomes, that which was enveloped by void
That One was born through the power of heat.
Upon That desire arose in the beginning
This was the first discharge of thought
Sages discovered this link of the being from non-being
Having searched their heart with wisdom
The line of vision was extended across
What was below? What was above?
There were impregnators, there were forces
Inherent power below, impulses above
Who knows truly?
Who will say whence it arose, this creation?
Even the gods came afterwards
Who, then, knows whence it came into being?
Whence this creation came into being
Whether it was created or not
High in the heighest heaven, its surveyor
Maybe He knows, or perhaps he knows not.


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